Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:16 am Post subject: The 7th Horcruxes
Well lets talk about the 7 Horcruxes what were they?
1) Tom Riddles Diary from the 2nd book, destroyed by Harry with the Baskilist fang.
2) The ring found in Marvolo's house, destroyed by Dumbledore with the Ruby Crusted sword of Gryffindor, which injured him.
3) The locket of Slyherin which was stolen from Sirus house and was in the custody of Delorus Umbridge taken by Hermione, and was destroyed by Ron with the sword of Gryffindor.
4) The Ruby cup from Helga Hufflepuff which was in the Lestrange vault in Gringotts , which was stolen by Harry, Hermonie and Ron, who then escaped on a half blind dragon which was guarding the vault, it was then destroyed by Hermonie with a Baslik fang and skull she and Ron got from the Chamber of Secrets at Hogwarts.
5) The Ruby Diadem or Tiara that belonged to Rowena Ravenclaw, whih was stolen by her daughter Helena Ravenclaw and hidden in the Room of Requirement, which was found by Harry and destroyed by Crabbe when he unleashed the dangerous spell Fiendfyre in the Room of Requirement in which Crabbe lost his life.
6) The snake Nagini which was Voldamorts pet which was killed by Neville Longbottom in the great hall of Hogwarts with the sword of Gryffindor pulled from the burning sorting hat.
7) The last and final Horcruxes Harry Potter himself, which was destroyed by Voldamort himself when he used the killing curse on Harry. But Harry did not die because he was protected by the Blood in Voldamort that was taken from him when Voldamort got his body back.
Is there a relationship betwwen the Horcruxes and the Hallows ? One can oly guess.
Thank you Bear for summing up the horcruxes for us. I would surely like to say a few things though. J K Rowling has a fantastic method of turning the tables on her most ardent fans. I mean while reading HBP hardly anyone would have guessed that the diadem Harry had placed on the head of the marble bust would be something so very very important for him.
Also Helga Hufflepuff's cup - it was said to have powers. I wonder what power it possessed, because in his stupidity, Voldemort had destroyed the most prized possessions of the wizarding world - a cup with powers unknown, a diadem which would enhance the wearer's wisdom, Slytherin's locket which had some unknown power, The Ring - or rather one of the Hallows! yet it's power remained even though it was cracked by Dumbledore trying to destroy it.
Neville Longbottom was a true Gryffindor otherwise the Sword of Gryffindor would not have come out of the Sorting Hat. I wonder what would have been the look on Griphook's face, when he would have seen that the Sword vanished!
And lastly, Harry Potter is no ordinary person. All that he has gone through and yet he was ready to sacrifice his life for others and he also made sure that there was a backup - he told Neville to kill Nagini if he got a chance and Neville did just that.
All in all, I must say that the best book of the series is no doubt Deathly Hallows. It answers so many questions and has so many unexpected twists and turns. The book is absolutely fantastic. I wonder now when Jo would start writing about Albus Severus Potter - the boy named after three important people in the Second War against Voldemort - Albus Dumbledore, Severus Snape and Harry Potter?
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: 7 Horcruxes??
Ok - As summed up above, there were 7 horcruxes discovered between the 6th and 7th books. However, in Chapter 23 of The Half-Blood Prince:
"'He made seven Horcruxes?', said Harry, horror-struck, ..."
And Dumbledore goes on to reply:
"....'But firstly, no, Harry, not seven Horcruxes: six. The seventh part of his soul, however maimed, resides inside his regenerated body. That was the part of him that lived a spectral existence for so many years during his exile; without that, he has no self at all. That seventh piece of soul will be the last that anybody wishing to kill Voldemort must attack - the piece that lives in his body.'"
So if we revisit the summary of the Horcruxes again:
1. The diary
2. The ring
3. The locket
4. The cup
5. The diadem
6. Nagini
7. Harry
8. The last piece that lives in Voldemort that must be attacked???
Am I confused or does it appear that Voldemort did in fact make 7 and not 6 Horcruxes, however unintentional the 7th (Harry) may have been?? Or is this right and not really all that relevant to the story line, and I'm making it more than it really is??? I just felt that in Book 6 Dumbledore made such a point of showing Harry the magical importance of the number 7, etc. Does anyone have any response for this??? I'd love to hear thoughts.
my response is that Voldemort only knew of six horcruxes and himself. He never knew Harry was one. As Harry says in DH "You dont learn from your mistakes, Riddle, do you?"
It was a mistake for Voldemrt to ever make horcruxes, it was a mistake that voldemort attacked Harry without hearing the full prophesy, it was a mistake that voldemort put a part of his soul into Harry, it was a mistake that Voldemort grounded Harry to the mortal plain after wanting harrys blood in him so that Voldemort could destroy him. It was a mistake that voldemort trusted that a woman he had treated like dirt all year and she so desperately wanted to find her son when he wasked when harry was dead and he wasnt.
Voldemort made pelnty of mistakes in his life and they all meant his downfall, the matter of whether there were eight or seven pieces of soul are irrelevant, because Dumbledore did not tell harry he had to die.
Dumbledore knew already that there were eight, ut he had to let harry learn for himself, the fact that he had to die to save the wizarding world. It had to as pure a sacriufice as that of his mothers. thats what is important.
The thing I think was brilliant though, for harry and truly a character moment, is his need to save everyone. Even after all that voldemort did to him, harry still tried to get voldemort to feel remorse so that he was whole souled in the afterlife, not just a flayed looking baby under a chair.
He said "but before you try to kill me, I'd advise you to think about what you've done ... I've seen what you'll become otherwise ... be a m,an ... try ... try for some remorse..."
Well Voldemort made a lot of mistakes,, I think Dumbledore predicted all of that before he died. Bless him! I love the chapeter in which Dumbledore and Harry have a conversation. And it was gracious of Rowling to not kill Harry I was so certain that he was gonna die
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hang on, I don't get this. when harry got the Avada Kedavra curse on him in the the second to last chapter, did it kill the horcrux in him, or did it just vanish?
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The horcrux was killed in my opinion. Consider the Kings Cross chapter. Harry finds a twisted and horrible looking child, to whom Harry wants to tend but he is highly revulsed. That was Voldemort's horcrux and it was definitely dead.
Hello everyone, I must say that almost all of your thoughts on this matter are well thought out. I too do not believe that Voldy was aware that he had made Harry a horcrux. It was probably his biggest mistake of all. Oh well.
Voldemorts biggest mistake was to ever try to kill Harry in the first place.
everytime he did something always went wrong from Voldemorts poinmt of view.
The one thing i loved though, was when harry was talking to Voldemort in the second last chapter and they are circling and Harry trie to sve voldemort although he was altready told it was useless, he still tries to get voldemort to put himself back together by feeling remorse for all his cirmes. How typically harry. trying to save everyone.
But als how typically Voldemort, thnking he is so much better than harry, abd totally underestimating everything that has happened.
I hate to be nasty, but TR.LV was a Halfblood, the same as Harry and Snape.
(the three lonely boys ogether) had they have not hated each other, they probably would have been close friends as they all had similar circumstances. (harry a mi of both, no parents (riddle) and people who treated him like dirt (snape))
I hate to be nasty, but TR.LV was a Halfblood, the same as Harry and Snape.
(the three lonely boys ogether) had they have not hated each other, they probably would have been close friends as they all had similar circumstances. (harry a mi of both, no parents (riddle) and people who treated him like dirt (snape))
I think you're right. Hypothetically, if those three were at Hogwarts at the same time and in the same house, they would have probably been good friends(assuming of course, that Voldemort doesn't get too deep in to the Dark Arts).
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But had Harry been born at the same time as TR\LV he would NOT have been an orphane.
Therefore he would NOT have had the anger or sadness inside that he had to grow up with in the books.
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Well lets talk about the 7 Horcruxes what were they?
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